Catherine-Emmanuelle Delisle and Kate Kaufmann

Catherine-Emmanuelle Delisle lived in her tower. Kate Kaufmann was caught behind her wall. They've both vacated these self-constructed retreats to build a more integrated presence in the world today.

We honor every path as we talk about how to build our resilience and create good enough (or better) ways of living. While transitions are challenging, sometimes a new perspective or another voice can be all it takes to make a shift.

You can watch their discussion HERE